I am reposting from another thread I've been working on this one. Okay, down the rabbit hole I go... Prospect Park in Brooklyn is looking attractive. Byron Preiss was a native of Brooklyn and probably spent a lot of time in Prospect Park. The park is accessible from Fort Hamilton Parkway. I think the slender path clue refers to the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, which runs into the Fort Hamilton Pkwy. I like the idea that Gershwin is tied to Verse 10, and let's assume that BP was referring to Rhapsody in Blue, which everyone knows. This was used in the soundtrack of the movie Manhattan, staring another famous Brooklyn resident, Woody Allen. Woody Allen was huge during that time, and his family was Russian and Jewish, with humble beginnings aka simple roots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen The address listed on Wikipedia is 968 E 14th St, Brooklyn. which is south of Prospect Park. This may give us a directional clue and WOODY might be a clue. As for the rest of it, we need a starting point to follow the directional clues in the verse. One good point is Lookout Hill, probably the best spot in the park. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Looko ... 73.9719729 You can see Coney Island from this point, and it was known as a barrier island at one time. The problem is that it sits south of Prospect Park. Maybe the verses just mean toward Manhattan (North) or Bedloe's Island (Liberty Island, also North) From Verse 10: Take twice as many east steps as the hour Or more From the middle of one branch Of the v Look down And see simple roots Look down and to the North? EDIT: Look at this staircase at Lookout Hill. Could this be the 22 or more? I think there are three sets of steps, two that make a V, with another set in the middle. All head east. hxxp://diannedurantewriter.com/archives/2878 https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6579574 ... 704!8i4352 https://www.google.com/maps/@40.657564, ... 704!8i4352 Could this be as simple as BP used to hang out there as a kid and scratched his initials on a tree, or the stairs? There has to be a visual clue on or near the middle set of steps, at the base. What does everyone think? Anyone familiar with this park? Let's narrow this down and get boots on the ground!

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Hey guys- I too think that the casque was buried in Prospect Park. The only thing that makes me second guess it is on the episode of Expedition Unknown- Preiss' daughter said that you could see all of the elements of the image from the dig site. This would mean you could see the Statue of Liberty from the dig site. Is there anywhere in Prospect Park that the SOL is visible? Can you see it from Lookout Hill?

pizzoli wrote:: Hey guys- I too think that the casque was buried in Prospect Park. The only thing that makes me second guess it is on the episode of Expedition Unknown- Preiss' daughter said that you could see all of the elements of the image from the dig site. This would mean you could see the Statue of Liberty from the dig site. Is there anywhere in Prospect Park that the SOL is visible? Can you see it from Lookout Hill? I think what they said was a stretch. I think maybe the final set of markers and clues can be seen perhaps. You have to remember that much of what is in the Images is there to get us to the right general area. Typically this includes: State, City, Park, etc. The real hunt begins when you locate the specific area.

Glad someone is talking about Prospect Park again. I brought it up a while back but got shot down by the majority... who don’t have a casque either. This is a snippet from one of my posts some years ago. “So decoding the verse correctly is supposed to give us an exact location to dig. There's no denying that for all the verses. So for this one we are to stand in a certain spot and "Take twice as many east steps as the hour". We should follow that exact number and not deviate from the instructions. So I asked myself, why "Take twice as many east steps as the hour OR MORE"? "Or more" can be 1 more step or 50 more steps. That would take us out of the dig area and veer away from precise instructions. So I looked into it. If you stand at the Lincoln statue in Concert Grove in Prospect Park, and "Take twice as many east steps as the hour" (that being 22 steps due to the 11 o'clock in the pic), depending on your stride length, you should line up with another statue to the north. That statue just so happens to be Thomas Moore! So I came to the conclusion that this part of the verse is telling us to go east 22 steps from Lincoln OR go east until you line up with Moore (Or more). Considering everyone's steps are different, this could be a reference that we are lined up in the correct spot after taking the steps.” Not to mention this spot is directly south of Belmont Island (Isle of B) down to the millimeter.

Deuce wrote:: Glad someone is talking about Prospect Park again. I brought it up a while back but got shot down by the majority... who don’t have a casque either. This is a snippet from one of my posts some years ago. “So decoding the verse correctly is supposed to give us an exact location to dig. There's no denying that for all the verses. So for this one we are to stand in a certain spot and "Take twice as many east steps as the hour". We should follow that exact number and not deviate from the instructions. So I asked myself, why "Take twice as many east steps as the hour OR MORE"? "Or more" can be 1 more step or 50 more steps. That would take us out of the dig area and veer away from precise instructions. So I looked into it. If you stand at the Lincoln statue in Concert Grove in Prospect Park, and "Take twice as many east steps as the hour" (that being 22 steps due to the 11 o'clock in the pic), depending on your stride length, you should line up with another statue to the north. That statue just so happens to be Thomas Moore! So I came to the conclusion that this part of the verse is telling us to go east 22 steps from Lincoln OR go east until you line up with Moore (Or more). Considering everyone's steps are different, this could be a reference that we are lined up in the correct spot after taking the steps.” Not to mention this spot is directly south of Belmont Island (Isle of B) down to the millimeter. That makes a lot of sense but what then? How does this play into the clues in the verses, which I strongly believe are out of sequence. Propose a solution.

Deuce wrote:: Glad someone is talking about Prospect Park again. I brought it up a while back but got shot down by the majority... who don’t have a casque either. This is a snippet from one of my posts some years ago. “So decoding the verse correctly is supposed to give us an exact location to dig. There's no denying that for all the verses. So for this one we are to stand in a certain spot and "Take twice as many east steps as the hour". We should follow that exact number and not deviate from the instructions. So I asked myself, why "Take twice as many east steps as the hour OR MORE"? "Or more" can be 1 more step or 50 more steps. That would take us out of the dig area and veer away from precise instructions. So I looked into it. If you stand at the Lincoln statue in Concert Grove in Prospect Park, and "Take twice as many east steps as the hour" (that being 22 steps due to the 11 o'clock in the pic), depending on your stride length, you should line up with another statue to the north. That statue just so happens to be Thomas Moore! So I came to the conclusion that this part of the verse is telling us to go east 22 steps from Lincoln OR go east until you line up with Moore (Or more). Considering everyone's steps are different, this could be a reference that we are lined up in the correct spot after taking the steps.” [img] hxxp://rs1312.pbsrc.com/albums/t525/18deuce18/moore_zpsbcb22a33.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip [/img] Not to mention this spot is directly south of Belmont Island (Isle of B) down to the millimeter. Great info here! Are you local to new york?

gMan, did that a while back. Nothing then... that’s your dig spot. Nothing else in the verse gives you a more precise spot. That’s why it’s recommended to read through the posts. I know there’s a ton but most of the info the newer people are posting about now is old news. I don’t feel 100% on my process to get to Concert Grove but I feel strongly that it’s the final locale. The walkway is a V; statues of composers/“Concert” Grove=rhapsodic mans soil etc. karleen, unfortunately no or I’d be knee deep in dirt.

Deuce wrote:: gMan, did that a while back. That’s why it’s recommended to read through the posts. I know there’s a ton but most of the info the newer people are posting about now is old news. I don’t feel 100% on my process to get to Concert Grove but I feel strongly that it’s the final locale. The walkway is a V; statues of composers/“Concert” Grove=rhapsodic mans soil etc. karleen, unfortunately no or I’d be knee deep in dirt. Duece, I've read through most of the post on this forum, and taken some good ideas from people along the way. What you have to consider is the practicality of burying a casque, and expecting people to dig it up. It is possible in the area of Concert Grove, but in a higher traffic area. Also, like I said, if the steps puts you in front of a statue of Thomas Moore, what then? I believe this is the area you are talking about: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6583745 ... 776!8i3888

Yes that’s it. From there walk 22 steps and/or line up with Moore. You’ll be near the Grieg statue and that big tree. Possible cover. And dig. I’ll be the first to admit I could be way off base. But as far as practicality, about 99% of everyone searching believes there’s one at the fountain of youth. An archaeological site. How practical is that.

Deuce wrote:: Yes that’s it. From there walk 22 steps and/or line up with Moore. You’ll be near the Grieg statue and that big tree. Possible cover. And dig. I’ll be the first to admit I could be way off base. But as far as practicality, about 99% of everyone searching believes there’s one at the fountain of youth. An archaeological site. How practical is that. Haha, FOY, I'll have to agree on that! Anyway, in talking to another member of this forum, I just also spotted the bird head on the seagull. It's a perfect representation in the trails to the east of Lookout Hill, we are in the correct park: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Looko ... 73.9719732

Does anyone have a better idea why the verse would tell us to walk a certain number of steps “or more”? What if I, as a tall man, walked 22 steps. Then my shorter wife walked 22 steps. Who’s standing over the casque? 22 “or more”??... what if I walked an additional 5 steps and my wife walked an additional 10 more. Who should dig? How many steps does “or more” mean, and to whom? What if my 22 steps placed me perfectly over the site? How would I know to go move or not? Well if there were two objects that lined you up like crosshairs, there would be no debate on who walks more or how many. Depending on your stride your 22 will be perfect OR just line up with Moore. Anyone who paces it out will end up at the same exact location.

Deuce wrote:: Does anyone have a better idea why the verse would tell us to walk a certain number of steps “or more”? What if I, as a tall man, walked 22 steps. Then my shorter wife walked 22 steps. Who’s standing over the casque? 22 “or more”??... what if I walked an additional 5 steps and my wife walked an additional 10 more. Who should dig? How many steps does “or more” mean, and to whom? What if my 22 steps placed me perfectly over the site? How would I know to go move or not? Well if there were two objects that lined you up like crosshairs, there would be no debate on who walks more or how many. Depending on your stride your 22 will be perfect OR just line up with Moore. Anyone who paces it out will end up at the same exact location. The verse could be short for "or moreover" meaning the next lines are an alternate. If the steps I identified are 22 from top to bottom then it makes sense. Also, it could be 23 steps. There would still be a final visual marker toward the north.

Nice. Someone else a while back found the outline of the whole park in the dress. Sorry can’t post pics right now. Turn the image so her left hand points straight up. The southern end of the park is her right sleeve. Then follow the darker shadowy part of the dress to her belt. That is he southwest curvature of the park. Then just go north and trace it back around to the southeast end. Coincidence??

Deuce wrote:: Nice. Someone else a while back found the outline of the whole park in the dress. Sorry can’t post pics right now. Turn the image so her left hand points straight up. The southern end of the park is her right sleeve. Then follow the darker shadowy part of the dress to her belt. That is he southwest curvature of the park. Then just go north and trace it back around to the southeast end. Coincidence?? No coincidence at all. It's intentional.

Apologies if I missed this but why is everyone so confident about Verse 10 being locked to Image 12? I'm not saying that it isn't but I just don't understand the connection that makes everyone so positive the two are a match.

pizzoli wrote:: Apologies if I missed this but why is everyone so confident about Verse 10 being locked to Image 12? I'm not saying that it isn't but I just don't understand the connection that makes everyone so positive the two are a match. If nothing else, all the other verses were taken? In reality, there are strong indications that Verse 10 goes with Image 12. Plus, the solve I presented seems to be a very good match, even if we have not determined the final exact location. What we need is someone to go dig in Prospect Park and see.

Hi Everyone, New to the forum here. I am part of a group in NYC that has been actively searching, probing and digging in possible locations in Manhattan and Brooklyn. I have heard of the prospect park theory before, but pushed it to the side and focused on the coast lines more so. However, I do think there is some stock into it as well. I was wondering if there are anymore active NYC searchers here who might like to join us and take a look. I have plans to go on a search this upcoming week now that the weather in NYC is getting better. Would love to know more about Prospect park!

pizzoli wrote:: Apologies if I missed this but why is everyone so confident about Verse 10 being locked to Image 12? I'm not saying that it isn't but I just don't understand the connection that makes everyone so positive the two are a match. Hey there, First - until someone finds a casque - no verse is locked to an image. But that being said, People in various citiies have made lots of progress linking clues and ideas to particular verses. If you were to use a different verse to find a casque - that would be great, but it would throw all the other verses into question, and that would be great! But if it is merely your suspicion that it's a different verse, for people to take it seriously you would need to explain why the matches were better than the other matches from other cities. To be honest it is extremely easy to find matches even good matches. Its finding the casque with those matches that's hard.

NYCNative wrote:: Hi Everyone, New to the forum here. I am part of a group in NYC that has been actively searching, probing and digging in possible locations in Manhattan and Brooklyn. I have heard of the prospect park theory before, but pushed it to the side and focused on the coast lines more so. However, I do think there is some stock into it as well. I was wondering if there are anymore active NYC searchers here who might like to join us and take a look. I have plans to go on a search this upcoming week now that the weather in NYC is getting better. Would love to know more about Prospect park! I think people are now focusing on McCarren Park.......they seem pretty confident. Perhaps try there while the weather is nice.

JoshCornell1 wrote:: nah, its mapping the complete design of the puzzles that is hard. Because you can compare how many casques you have found, remember you promised 11

karleen wrote:: I think people are now focusing on McCarren Park.......they seem pretty confident. Perhaps try there while the weather is nice. McCarren park is a joke. Nobody would go into that park until recently. And the only reason and rationale they have to search there is because there is a Russian Orthodox church across the street from it. Other then that, it is not promising at all. If you ignore everything else and just focus on the image of the onion domes in image 12, then sure it makes sense. Other then that, no.

NYCNative wrote:: McCarren park is a joke. Nobody would go into that park until recently. And the only reason and rationale they have to search there is because there is a Russian Orthodox church across the street from it. Other then that, it is not promising at all. If you ignore everything else and just focus on the image of the onion domes in image 12, then sure it makes sense. Other then that, no. I don't remember the claim off the top of my head but it was something about the woman looking like the Virgin Mary and, perhaps, that's what "V" stands for. If "B" meant Beethoven in the Chicago solve, why not Virgin Mary for "V"? I'm not supporting the idea, just quoting someone else's claim.

Unknown: remember you promised 11 Seriously Matt? We know Josh is a little bit off, but I am starting to wonder about your sanity as well. Or your motivation. Give it a rest.

Unknown: McCarren park is a joke. Nobody would go into that park until recently. I seem to remember the same thing being said about Prospect Park in the early 80s. Doesn't rule it out necessarily, but probably makes it less likely.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Seriously Matt? We know Josh is a little bit off, but I am starting to wonder about your sanity as well. Or your motivation. Give it a rest. Sorry Renovator - just having fun - with all the new people on the board If Josh's stuff is the first things they come across and nobody has pointed out the crap it really is, well it will just mislead a lot of people and ruin the hunt for them. But I don't want to be annoying so I will cease forthwith.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Seriously Matt? We know Josh is a little bit off, but I am starting to wonder about your sanity as well. Or your motivation. Give it a rest. Sure, any park in NYC in the early 80's was a bad place to be. The city still had an astonishingly bad crime rate. Not only was is McCrackhead park but if anyone is thinking of a theory to match things up, then you will not have much but the Church to go by. it is one of those lazy theories where people bypass what parts of the verse they can not prove and link everything else to one image or one historic figure. Same was done with the central park theory from the fool that linked everything to Columbus.

maltedfalcon wrote:: Hey there, First - until someone finds a casque - no verse is locked to an image. But that being said, People in various citiies have made lots of progress linking clues and ideas to particular verses. If you were to use a different verse to find a casque - that would be great, but it would throw all the other verses into question, and that would be great! But if it is merely your suspicion that it's a different verse, for people to take it seriously you would need to explain why the matches were better than the other matches from other cities. To be honest it is extremely easy to find matches even good matches. Its finding the casque with those matches that's hard. Hey thanks for the feedback i appreciate it- I gotcha just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking a clear link like the Paul Revere reference in the Boston verse that made it obvious 10 was for NY. For anyone working on the Prospect Park theory I'd love to help out and share my research on it as that's where I believe it's buried. Message me. Thanks again.

pizzoli wrote:: I gotcha just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking a clear link like the Paul Revere reference in the Boston verse that made it obvious 10 was for NY. LOL I worked on the clear link for Washington DC for ages.. And to Congress, R is known L sits and left Beyond his shoulder Is the Fair Folks' Treasure holder

maltedfalcon wrote:: Hey there, First - until someone finds a casque - no verse is locked to an image. Bullshit.

A good example (I think) is verse 2 which is absolutely definitely New Orleans or maybe Montreal... Montreal has a big statue of Cartier (jewels) and a huge palace hotel... but work with what feels good to you!

maltedfalcon wrote:: A good example (I think) is verse 2 which is absolutely definitely New Orleans or maybe Montreal... Montreal has a big statue of Cartier (jewels) and a huge palace hotel... but work with what feels good to you! Why not just tell him how to know, MF, and quit wasting people's time?

There are at least 2 legeater statues located in the city of Boston. If you haven’t considered an alternate image there, you’ve got a big dump in your pants.

BINGO wrote:: There are at least 2 legeater statues located in the city of Boston. If you haven’t considered an alternate image there, you’ve got a big dump in your pants. I haven't, and I actually do have a big dump. The timing ain't right to loose it.

BINGO wrote:: There are at least 2 legeater statues located in the city of Boston. If you haven’t considered an alternate image there, you’ve got a big dump in your pants. Where? Pictures?

maltedfalcon wrote:: Where? Pictures? he is talking about the library bullshit... the same type of ones in st louis. if you're really intent on helping people mf, why not actually help them? why pander to the bullshit?

Hirudiniforme wrote:: Why not just tell him how to know, MF, and quit wasting people's time? I know of no methodology to associate a verse and an Image... I would love one. It would save soooo much time. If you have a method please share.

maltedfalcon wrote:: Where? Pictures? Shhh. It’s a secret.

BINGO wrote:: Shhh. It’s a secret. It's no secret, it's been posted here a hundred times.

Hirudiniforme wrote:: he is talking about the library bullshit... the same type of ones in st louis. if you're really intent on helping people mf, why not actually help them? why pander to the bullshit? Actually I am really really not up to speed on Boston, So I am not sure what is new news or old news there, However a legeater statue would affect montreal so I do kind of care.

They are on a walkway near the Charles river. I’ve never noticed them posted in the Boston threads and I never followed any of the other locations. Until recently, I didn’t realize that they might be significant. The problem with them is that I don’t believe that are old enough. I’ll grab a picture tomorrow.

maltedfalcon wrote:: however a legeater statue would affect montreal so I do kind of care. how would another legeater anywhere in the world affect montreal? it wouldn't.

which park?

maltedfalcon wrote:: which park? legion.

Hirudiniforme wrote:: how would another legeater anywhere in the world affect montreal? it wouldn't. Well for example a legeater (of the same make and model lampstand) found in Saint Louis MO, would invariably open up the Saint Louis Discussion again. For quite a few years Saint Louis MO was accepted above Montreal. The one thing that finally put the nail in the coffin of St Louis, was that no one could ever find a legeater there.

Hirudiniforme wrote:: legion. Sorry I don't know Boston at all where is the legion Park along the charles river?

maltedfalcon wrote:: Well for example a legeater (of the same make and model lampstand) found in Saint Louis MO, would invariably open up the Saint Louis Discussion again.[/qupte] True True False

maltedfalcon wrote:: Well for example a legeater (of the same make and model lampstand) found in Saint Louis MO, would invariably open up the Saint Louis Discussion again. Unknown: For quite a few years Saint Louis MO was accepted above Montreal. Unknown: The one thing that finally put the nail in the coffin of St Louis, was that no one could ever find a legeater there. True True For you's alls.

Hirudiniforme wrote:: Well yes, I can only speak for myself, but it was that and that we needed a Canada Casque somewhere.

BINGO wrote:: The problem with them is that I don’t believe that are old enough. I’ll grab a picture tomorrow. I suppose they could have been moved from somewhere else...

maltedfalcon wrote:: Well yes, I can only speak for myself, but it was that and that we needed a Canada Casque somewhere. Forgive me if I missed something, but why do we _need_ a Canada casque? I'm under the impression 12 casques were hidden in North America. Granted, North America does include Canada, but does not specifically state there is one located there. All 12 could be located in the United States and the statement that they are buried in North America would still be true. Did Preiss definitively state "at least one casque is in Canada"?

Unknown: Did Preiss definitively state "at least one casque is in Canada"? Yes. Unless Fox is lying: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1181&p=13858&hilit=canada+casque#p13768 What any of this has to do with NY is beyond me. Once again, a thread about a specific subject has been hijacked, and by people who should know better.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Yes. Unless Fox is lying: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1181&p=13858&hilit=canada+casque#p13768 What any of this has to do with NY is beyond me. Once again, a thread about a specific subject has been hijacked, and by people who should know better. Great, thank you, not sure why I haven't seen that thread yet. Sorry for adding to the off-topic discussion in this thread.

JoshCornell1 wrote:: dun dun dunnn...plus i totally completed this one. Josh, would you please find a friggin' casque so you can actually gloat with authenticity. Enough already.

karleen wrote:: Josh, would you please find a friggin' casque so you can actually gloat with authenticity. Enough already. It's odd... chalk it up to the allure of a good media presentation... that people seem to care about being the ONE to dig up a thing worth at most several hundred dollars based on a hunt that literally like 50 people care about. Most of us just share our info, happy to have the thing solved above all else... it just strikes me as fascinating that some people tend to have the attitude that OMG I CAN BE LIKE THE BRIAN ZINN!!! Brian Zinn (and johann, to a lesser degree) is a hall-of-fame puzzle solver, and has said it was an amazing experience in his life, but I've never heard him posit, "hey this is what boosted me to celebrity status and now my life is amazing!!!" Egbert, feel free to own me here if I've misrepresented you. IT's just amazing that people can think "wow, I could be the subject of MY OWN Travel Channel one-of" and find allure. Again, I think it's media polish that make people think a "potential solve" is worth anything, let alone worth enough to guard it from the messageboards. I mean, if Johann had said "I have a great solution but I need to wait before I show you the images," Would Cleveland ever have been found? Would we even care about this hunt any more? SHARE! Be love, people!

I can't imagine the amount of arrogance it takes to re-solve Cleveland, and tell Brian he was wrong.

Unknown: I can't imagine the amount of arrogance it takes to re-solve Cleveland, and tell Brian he was wrong. Brian was told he was wrong several times, about several things. Most notably, johann showed him he was looking in the wrong city, and Andy showed him that he was looking in the wrong spot. At the very least, we owe a debt of gratitude to the "arrogance" of those two, and to anyone else who questions that the simplicity of that puzzle should be the template for the puzzle as a whole. Even Josh Cornell.

"I'd rather be lucky than good." ---Lefty Gomez

Unknown: "I'd rather be lucky than good." ---Lefty Gomez Funny, Josh is being taken to task for saying essentially the exact same thing. I guess it's all in the delivery.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Funny, Josh is being taken to task for saying essentially the exact same thing. I guess it's all in the delivery. Josh is being taken to task for being neither lucky or good, but mostly being insulting. but like you said, lets get back on track.

drunknerds wrote:: It's odd... chalk it up to the allure of a good media presentation... that people seem to care about being the ONE to dig up a thing worth at most several hundred dollars based on a hunt that literally like 50 people care about. Most of us just share our info, happy to have the thing solved above all else... it just strikes me as fascinating that some people tend to have the attitude that OMG I CAN BE LIKE THE BRIAN ZINN!!! Brian Zinn (and johann, to a lesser degree) is a hall-of-fame puzzle solver, and has said it was an amazing experience in his life, but I've never heard him posit, "hey this is what boosted me to celebrity status and now my life is amazing!!!" My life is pretty amazing, even without The Secret. I am thankful for so much. But I have really enjoyed trying to solve these puzzles. They are unique - not only are they puzzles and riddles, but they are intelligently done and also involve physically going out and searching for the clues in the real world. How cool is that! It was great that I found the casque, but if I was going to list the things I enjoyed the most out of the whole adventure, it would be as follows, IN THIS ORDER: 1. Becoming close friends with Andy Abrams. 2. Pouring over the book, and solving clues over several years both by myself and on Q4T with everyone on here, which led to the drive out to Cleveland. 3. Driving to Cleveland and looking for the treasure. 4. Meeting Byron Preiss. 5. Digging out the casque. 6. Getting in the paper and on TV. That is why I am still here, because I enjoy trying to solve the rest of the puzzles. There are more people here than before, and unfortunately, that leads to getting some really annoying characters on here. "Josh," it's great that you are actually going out on adventures trying to find the casques, but it is unfortunate that you do not see how your posts are annoying to others here, because of your egotistical and "know it all" attitude. Maybe you should rethink how you post things, and join in the sharing of possible solutions. There are other bad apples on here as well, and you know who you are. I am sorry I posted this in the wrong thread, but people don't seem to care about the thread organization anymore that we set up a long time ago. Let me ask you all a serious question. What would you do if someone posted the solutions here? Or, if several people actually found all of the casques over the next couple of weeks? What would you do? How would you feel? We are all looking for solutions, but I for one would be very sad if we actually figured them all out. How is that for a conundrum?

Unknown: What would you do if someone posted the solutions here? If they came by the solutions honestly, I would congratulate them, thank them, and get on with my life. Otherwise, I would just do the last part.

What a great post, Egbert. Thank you for that. Rather than get on with my life (which would imply I'm somehow stuck, which isn't true), if all the casques were located I would find some other way to continue interacting with the many people I've come to view as friends as a direct result of this hunt. Maybe another unsolved treasure hunt.

Unknown: which would imply I'm somehow stuck, which isn't true I'm not stuck either. But the puzzle as a whole sure seems to be at a standstill or even going backward. Which is why I am still working it, and presumably you are too FB. If I'm reading you correctly, we agree that if we didn't have this puzzle to occupy some of our free time anymore (which was the gist of Brian's questions), we would both move on to something else. Seems like the only rational thing to do, but perhaps there are other viewpoints that I am missing.

Oh, and for anyone who still cares, folks on the ground in NYC are having another look at Prospect and McCarren Parks in Brooklyn. There, back on track.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Yes. Unless Fox is lying: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1181&p=13858&hilit=canada+casque#p13768 What any of this has to do with NY is beyond me. Once again, a thread about a specific subject has been hijacked, and by people who should know better. foxes don't lie..... and GREAT post eggbert!

Drunknerds, I liked what you had to say, only there's too much difficulty curve to the puzzles. There's too much controversy over how these puzzles work. B and A made relatively quick work out of finding the Cleveland box after johann's columns. Why hasn't someone found the Canada box since ravel07's legeater? There's much people don't understand. I'm worried that once I find a box, Sean Bean will roll up on me and take it before I have a chance to claim my 15 min of fame...

Yeah so Prospect park seems very interesting....I am on my way there as we speak. If you have any suggestions or picture request, feel free to PM me. I would not waste a moment of my precious treasure hunting time in McCarren park. It is just a horribly put together theory.

Hint of advise for future diggers in different states: Do not get permission to dig in a park if you think the treasure is within 10ft of a tree. It is actually against the law to dig within 10ft of a tree (whether you have permission to dig in a park or not). That being said .. NYC has been found. Peace out!

borntalent wrote:: Hint of advise for future diggers in different states: Do not get permission to dig in a park if you think the treasure is within 10ft of a tree. It is actually against the law to dig within 10ft of a tree (whether you have permission to dig in a park or not). That being said .. NYC has been found. Peace out! This is where his next email says, well we know where it is but we are not allowed to dig it out because it is next to a tree..... Translated = NYC has not been found but we stuck a probe in the ground near a tree and we hit something hard.

borntalent wrote:: Hint of advise for future diggers in different states: Do not get permission to dig in a park if you think the treasure is within 10ft of a tree. It is actually against the law to dig within 10ft of a tree (whether you have permission to dig in a park or not). That being said .. NYC has been found. Peace out! Cool post. If you have found it, let's see some photos of the casque.

borntalent wrote:: Hint of advise for future diggers in different states: Do not get permission to dig in a park if you think the treasure is within 10ft of a tree. It is actually against the law to dig within 10ft of a tree (whether you have permission to dig in a park or not). That being said .. NYC has been found. Peace out! LMAO!! In his next post he is going to ask for help with his broken central park theory!

borntalent wrote:: Hint of advise for future diggers in different states: Do not get permission to dig in a park if you think the treasure is within 10ft of a tree. It is actually against the law to dig within 10ft of a tree (whether you have permission to dig in a park or not). That being said .. NYC has been found. Peace out! Do you have anything to support this "illegal to dig near a tree" claim? I can't find any such law like that, and the notion that non-national parks would have a common law independent of state is really weird to me.

drunknerds wrote:: Do you have anything to support this "illegal to dig near a tree" claim? I can't find any such law like that, and the notion that non-national parks would have a common law independent of state is really weird to me. He also thinks the casque is "found" in front of Ft. Hamilton High school, so I wouldn't invest to much time into what he is saying. He is just trolling.

NYC Native: One post you claimed I had a "central park" theory and in the next you claimed i had a "Fort Hamilton" theory.... nice try reaching. No, I will not be emailing anyone for any help, because I found it. Put some $$$ where that mouth is... or better yet, keep looking for it, i'll enjoy watching your failed attempts at nothing. That being said.. I gave advise for people who are looking to dig at ANY site. Looks closely at the digging permits when going to state/city parks... the paper work is long but make sure you read it.. and you will see the clause about the tree. OR you can ignore me and get arrested.

borntalent wrote:: NYC Native: One post you claimed I had a "central park" theory and in the next you claimed i had a "Fort Hamilton" theory.... nice try reaching. No, I will not be emailing anyone for any help, because I found it. Put some $$$ where that mouth is... or better yet, keep looking for it, i'll enjoy watching your failed attempts at nothing. That being said.. I gave advise for people who are looking to dig at ANY site. Looks closely at the digging permits when going to state/city parks... the paper work is long but make sure you read it.. and you will see the clause about the tree. OR you can ignore me and get arrested. Mudslinging aside, people, I think many of us need some clarification, here. When you say you've found it, you're saying it's by a tree but you can't dig there. How could you know that's what it is?

Unknown: That being said .. NYC has been found. I was unaware that NYC was missing.

borntalent wrote:: NYC Native: One post you claimed I had a "central park" theory and in the next you claimed i had a "Fort Hamilton" theory.... nice try reaching. No, I will not be emailing anyone for any help, because I found it. Put some $$$ where that mouth is... or better yet, keep looking for it, i'll enjoy watching your failed attempts at nothing. That being said.. I gave advise for people who are looking to dig at ANY site. Looks closely at the digging permits when going to state/city parks... the paper work is long but make sure you read it.. and you will see the clause about the tree. OR you can ignore me and get arrested. The only thing you have found is a way to get attention! Put your money where your mouth is and show EVERYONE the casque you found or keep looking like all the other morons through the years that claim they have found it.

One tv show and now everyone CLAIMS to have found casques. This really is getting old fast.

I'd like to steer my thread back to it's intended purpose regarding digging up the casque. Is there anyone in the Brooklyn area that can go scout Prospect Park, specifically in the area near Lookout Hill stairs? Can we get some photos and videos of that area? Can someone probe? The area looks to be relatively out of the way, so it shouldn't be too difficult to probe and/or dig. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.657564, ... 704!8i4352

gManTexas wrote:: Is there anyone in the Brooklyn area that can go scout Prospect Park, specifically in the area near Lookout Hill stairs? Hi, not me, Im in CA, but i'm curious why this spot I don't see it working with verse 10 at all, could you explain the logic?

gManTexas wrote:: I'd like to steer my thread back to it's intended purpose regarding digging up the casque. Is there anyone in the Brooklyn area that can go scout Prospect Park, specifically in the area near Lookout Hill stairs? Can we get some photos and videos of that area? Can someone probe? The area looks to be relatively out of the way, so it shouldn't be too difficult to probe and/or dig. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.657564, ... 704!8i4352 Someone on this forum was looking in that area and said there were no 'aha' moments by the stairs. Not sure what they were hoping to see???? But said that nothing was there. I'm sure - like most things - different people see different things so it might be nice to get a different perspective.

maltedfalcon wrote:: Hi, not me, Im in CA, but i'm curious why this spot I don't see it working with verse 10 at all, could you explain the logic? I did a bit of a walk through toward the beginning of this thread, but sure: The bottom of her dress is Brooklyn. It can be argued that her head and arms/torso form Prospect Park. The bird's head is an almost exact match for trails next to Lookout Hill. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Looko ... 975468,15z Now let's go to the Verse (note the rearrangement): In the shadow Of the grey giant - Manhattan. Brooklyn is in it's shadow, somewhat figuratively. Find the arm that Extends over the slender path - Verrazano-Narrows Bridge Although the sign Nearby Speaks of Indies native The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols. - Convoluted reference to Fort Hamilton. The bridge into Brooklyn leads you to Fort Hamilton Pkwy toward Prospect Park. In summer You'll often hear a whirring sound - Helicopter tours, music, something Cars abound - There is evidence that the residents of the area were constantly fighting with the city to ban cars in the park area. In fact, cars were finally banned for the summer months of 2017. Look down And see simple roots In rhapsodic man's soil - Looking down from Lookout Hill, you can see many things from that vantage point. Brooklyn, Coney Island, etc. Take twice as many east steps as the hour Or more From the middle of one branch Of the v - At Lookout Hill we have three sets of steps heading east that form a V. The middle one has approximately 22 steps, or twice the number of the hour on the clock. Or gaze north Toward the isle of B. - Could be a number of Islands in the harbor. I kind of like Blackwell's Island which was changed to Roosevelt Island in 1971. Certainly in Preiss' youth, it was the Island of B. I believe we go down the middle set of steps (22 or so) and look to the north, which would be the left side. There should be some sort of visual clue there where to dig.

karleen wrote:: Someone on this forum was looking in that area and said there were no 'aha' moments by the stairs. Not sure what they were hoping to see???? But said that nothing was there. I'm sure - like most things - different people see different things so it might be nice to get a different perspective. There are things in the dots of the "stained glass window" and other clues in the water that frankly, I haven't bothered to decipher.

gManTexas wrote:: I did a bit of a walk through toward the beginning of this thread, but sure: The bottom of her dress is Brooklyn. It can be argued that her head and arms/torso form Prospect Park. The bird's head is an almost exact match for trails next to Lookout Hill. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Looko ... 975468,15z Now let's go to the Verse (note the rearrangement): In the shadow Of the grey giant - Manhattan. Brooklyn is in it's shadow, somewhat figuratively. Find the arm that Extends over the slender path - Verrazano-Narrows Bridge I must say I like that grey giant link... on the wiki they suggest the statue of liberty which is silly because she is green. I though it could be the VN bridge, but then if so I think the arm/slender path would be something different. not two references to the same thing... so here you use both- differently - nice

@MaltedFalcon I think the grey giant refers to Henry Grey who designed the wide flanged steel beams, forged by Bethlehem Steel, to allow buildings to be built higher than 20 stories.

BINGO wrote:: There are at least 2 legeater statues located in the city of Boston. If you haven’t considered an alternate image there, you’ve got a big dump in your pants. Me - waiting patiently for pictures and map coordinates...

Verse 10 In the shadow Of the grey giant (verrazano or dover patrol memorial) Find the arm that Extends over the slender path In summer (armament parrot gun jpj park.in summer memorial day they shoot 21 gun salute .kings parade 150 years and John Paul Jones was first to use in France ) You'll often hear a whirring sound Cars abound(any video of jpj park all you hear is a whirring sound from cars on off ramp.summer can be applied to memorial day not the whirling) Although the sign Nearby Speaks of Indies native(fort hamilton ) The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.( brooklyn natives in summer 21 gun salute in 3 "volleys" alexander hamilton quote " hard words are very rarely useful" a useless armament both the parrot gun and the blanks they shoot over the narrows for memorial day ) Take twice as many east steps as the hour Or more ( the hour being 11 in sundial of obelisk lined up with cannonballs creating v )clock hands end in circles From the middle of one branch Of the v(half way of either brings you to sidewalk  between.)unless wait until hour when balls line up than twice that ) Look down And see simple roots In rhapsodic man's soil( gershwin or zepplin bass player .the lion in dress looking at it differently look like the hermit on inside cover of album )tarot for November and Chrysanthemum flower for November Or gaze north Toward the isle of B.liberty island beloe Also curiously the yardarm ....navy term sun over the yard arm when they get a drink typically 11 o'clock .image 12 face has bridge in it casting shadow .clock darker numerals add up to 22 And as far as dots I ran a effects filter showing a grid pattern and showing hundreds of letters and numbers .I'll post it

It won't let me post a pic this large here .any one interested I'll send through email or text .palencar has all sorts of hidden objects in this

Not involved enough into this particular hunt to make much of a difference, but doesn’t the actual book address the grey giant? I’m going on a loose memory, and I don’t have my book available right now, but isn’t the cold waters of the north referred to as the Grey giant? Would this be as simple as the ocean? I’ll try to find the passage that I’m thinking of tonight.

Mr merit wrote:: It won't let me post a pic this large here .any one interested I'll send through email or text .palencar has all sorts of hidden objects in this use imgur.com to upload and get a shareable link. There is an owl and a skull and a letter Y in the clock

maltedfalcon wrote:: Me - waiting patiently for pictures and map coordinates... Sorry, I forgot about that. I’ll get over there tomorrow at work.

There are hundreds of letters and numbers .I like one in clock that is a v then a v with a dot half way in one side which could go with my theory .

So I posted pics to imgur.com .2 filtered zoom able pics .search for "image 12 filter" username jmmkeaney .it interesting but even more baffling

Mr merit wrote:: So I posted pics to imgur.com .2 filtered zoom able pics .search for "image 12 filter" username jmmkeaney .it interesting but even more baffling took me a while to find this link https://imgur.com/gallery/r3qfu Any details you see with a texture filter are going to be caused by your brain imposing order on chaos, seeing "voices" in the white noise. (I see none)

Or try secret image 12 filter when searching

JoshCornell1 wrote:: well, that was intense...lol. are you in nyc? lets meet up. ill be there in a couple days. | anyone wanna let me crash on their couch? or can suggest a decent hostel close to the areas in question. But, Josh, you solved it. You KNOW where it is. What's the point in meeting up?

Mr merit wrote:: Verse 10 In the shadow Of the grey giant (verrazano or dover patrol memorial) Find the arm that Extends over the slender path In summer (armament parrot gun jpj park.in summer memorial day they shoot 21 gun salute .kings parade 150 years and John Paul Jones was first to use in France ) You'll often hear a whirring sound Cars abound(any video of jpj park all you hear is a whirring sound from cars on off ramp.summer can be applied to memorial day not the whirling) Although the sign Nearby Speaks of Indies native(fort hamilton ) The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.( brooklyn natives in summer 21 gun salute in 3 "volleys" alexander hamilton quote " hard words are very rarely useful" a useless armament both the parrot gun and the blanks they shoot over the narrows for memorial day ) Take twice as many east steps as the hour Or more ( the hour being 11 in sundial of obelisk lined up with cannonballs creating v )clock hands end in circles From the middle of one branch Of the v(half way of either brings you to sidewalk  between.)unless wait until hour when balls line up than twice that ) Look down And see simple roots In rhapsodic man's soil( gershwin or zepplin bass player .the lion in dress looking at it differently look like the hermit on inside cover of album )tarot for November and Chrysanthemum flower for November Or gaze north Toward the isle of B.liberty island beloe Also curiously the yardarm ....navy term sun over the yard arm when they get a drink typically 11 o'clock .image 12 face has bridge in it casting shadow .clock darker numerals add up to 22 And as far as dots I ran a effects filter showing a grid pattern and showing hundreds of letters and numbers .I'll post it Nice break down of JPJ. I have a large file, live pictures, and a lot of insight on there. It was our first probe and dig site sometime ago. If you would like more information on the park or anything around it, do let me know in PM. Good job though. I had it broken down a bit differently, but your perspective was pretty good!

karleen wrote:: But, Josh, you solved it. You KNOW where it is. What's the point in meeting up? LMAO Hey Josh, want to crash on my couch? Just let me know where I can meet you!

Thanks nycnative .there's a reason these haven't been solved .they are hard and can be matched up just about anywhere with enough imagination .I'll pm you about some info.i also still like prospect park,weehawkin,Fort Lee and even jones beach .just can't match all verses as easily as jpj

I also like that chief Seattle is on a plaque in jpj(seal of uss Seattle that was dedicated by mast .theres a "gaze" bo though it might not of been there in 82 .

Sorry .at foot of mast is a plaque with an indian.crest of the uss Seattle .chief Seattle .gaze north or gazebo north of dig site.just thoughts that could apply to a different prospective .if preiss can call l lincoln,c Congress gaze could be gazebo .lol

Mr merit wrote:: Sorry .at foot of mast is a plaque with an indian.crest of the uss Seattle .chief Seattle .gaze north or gazebo north of dig site.just thoughts that could apply to a different prospective .if preiss can call l lincoln,c Congress gaze could be gazebo .lol Are you sending a telegram?

Page 9 The Passage to the New World “The Northern seas are cold and cruel grey;” Any chance the Atlantic Ocean is the grey giant that everyone seems to be looking for? Both are spelled using the English form rather than grAy. Just a thought.

I like that bingo.the passage to the new world could still be the narrows .

BINGO wrote:: Page 9 The Passage to the New World “The Northern seas are cold and cruel grey;” Any chance the Atlantic Ocean is the grey giant that everyone seems to be looking for? Both are spelled using the English form rather than grAy. Just a thought. Bingo - I wondered if he was just fond of spelling it that way. Several people have disagreed with me on that because with Preiss it all seems intentional. Until I found the info on the steel beams designed by Henry Grey, I hadn't found anything remotely similar unless it's just a metaphor.